All a matter of perspective?

Fat isn't any better than starvationY'know… back when I was in college, I took my friend Tonya out for drinks with some of my college friends. I liked them all a lot, and I wanted them to meet each other. So, when we arrived at the appointed bar, I introduced her around to the five folks who were already there. And then I spent the rest of the evening embarrassed and slightly horrified.

See, Tonya was fat. Not "plump" or "a little chubby". She was seriously overweight. And three out of my five friends we met up with almost completely ignored her. It pretty much ended up with myself & Tonya talking at one end of the table, with Mike and Barclay occasionally joining in, while the other three carried on as though we weren't there. They'd never treated me like I was invisible before, but I guess talking to me while pointedly ignoring her would have been too rude even by their standards?

At any rate, when I saw Tonya the next night, she said hi and inquired as to the severity of my hangover. I then proceeded to launch into a ginormous, rambling apology … "I am SO sorry for last night! I don't know what the hell their problem was! I've never seen them be so rude before…" etc., etc. Tonya looked at me funny for a minute, and then started laughing. She thought it was cute that I was actually surprised. Apparently, as a fat woman, she got that kind of treatment all the time.

To this day, I find it all ridiculously offensive. But at the same time, I find the whole fat acceptance/fat positive 'movement' (if it's even organized enough to be called a movement) equally ridiculous. I mean, come ON people. There's a virtual epidemic of type 2 diabetes in the US. Almost a third of Americans are clinically obese (over half are "overweight"). These two things are connected. And yet people argue that obesity should be considered all happy and normal and acceptable and good?! Are you fucking kidding me?

Yes, yes, I understand there is a variety of different natural, healthy body types. I realize that fashion models and famous actresses are hardly representative of what normal, healthy women's bodies look like. I know that insecure, depressed, emotionally fragile young women fall prey to eating disorders while trying to reach some unattainable physical "ideal", thinking if they can, they'll magically become happy. Yes, this is all bad. But trying to convince people that 300+ pound nudes are sexy pin up models is really not the way to combat it.

And yeah, of course we never know why someone might be overweight. It's unfair to paint all fat people with the same "compulsive over eater" brush. Who knows? They MIGHT have a Thyroid Problem!

Yes, they damn well might. I should know. I went from a 135# model-skinny chick who could eat anything she wanted to a 199# moody bitch who couldn't lose weight on a 1500 calorie per day diet thanks to my fucked up thyroid. And I KNOW it can be next to impossible to find a doctor who will treat your thyroid problem effectively enough to allow you to once again lose weight like a normal, healthy person. And I KNOW that even when you're properly treated, losing weight is still a bitch, because it took more than two years with a good medication regimen, to achieve and maintain a clinically "healthy" weight of 155 (and I have small bones, I'm still plenty jiggly around the middle).

But still, the percentage of obese people who have thyroid problems is small, and even those folks can prevent themselves from becoming circus-freak-size. The number of people with medical problems that make it genuinely impossible to control their weight? I honestly don't know if there even is such a thing. People who think that celebrating "all body types" is doing anyone a favor, if you include the morbidly obese, are fucking morons. Encouraging people to accept obesity as normal is every bit as unhealthy as pushing girls into starving themselves.

Yes, women can be healthy at a size 14, if they're reasonably tall. But once you start pushing past the size 16 mark, I have a serious problem believing it's your "natural body type", or that you're a truly "healthy" person. And men naturally tend to have LOWER body fat than women, so if you're one of those guys whose gut overlaps your belt buckle, that is not a "body type", it's just gross. Seriously people, when your weight gets to the point that it causes joint strain problems? EAT LESS! And if eating less doesn't help, SEE A FUCKING DOCTOR! I did. It's great. My BMI is now at the high end of "Normal" rather than the low end of "Obese" & I can once again sit cross-legged without my feet going numb!

If you're not willing to do what it takes to keep your body in a normal, healthy weight range, be prepared to pay the price. No, I don't mean the social price. Nobody should be treated like a non-person because of their weight. But don't expect to be able to buy clothes in the newest, coolest styles (and don't be surprised if your clothes cost more … they use more fabric). And yes, goddamnit, if your ass is so fucking big you do not fit into a single seat on an airliner, you fucking well should have to buy tickets for two seats. You use two seats, you pay for two seats. Charging people for the amount of room they're actually taking up is not discrimination, it's charging passengers per seat, which is what airlines do.

Now, I know some people are going to read this and freak the fuck out. I'm being "size-ist" or something. But seriously, being obese isn't healthy any more than anorexia is healthy. I'm not saying "sk1nny ppl r00l, F@† ppl dr00l" or anything mindlessly oversimplified. I'm saying maybe the morbidly obese woman I saw at the grocery store should not have been buying a shopping cart full of microwave dinners and chips and a case of soda. The stripper I once worked with who was so thin you could count her vertebrae probably also should have been eating more than two plain bagels a day (and probably should not have been vomiting them up afterwards).

I once saw an anorexia porn site. It was one of the most gawdawful disturbing things I've ever seen on the internet (and that's saying A LOT). It was disturbing because it was glorifying a seriously unhealthy physical standard. I mean, some of these girls would not have looked a bit out of place if you dubbed them into a concentration camp photo. It was fucking horrible. EVERYONE (except the sick fucks beating off over the starving models, and the mentally unhinged girls themselves) would agree that anorexia porn is horrible. So why should it OK to do "BBW" porn and/or pin-up photography, glamorizing women whose ankles haven't seen the light of day in years?

Why is there an activist community rallying around the idea that excessively HIGH body weight should be accepted and celebrated, when morbid obesity is horribly unhealthy too? Type 2 diabetes. Heart disease. Sleep apnea. Mobility problems. Liver disease. Higher rates of cancer. COME THE FUCK ON HERE, PEOPLE! HEALTHY should be attractive. Not obese. Not underweight. There is a range of body sizes considered healthy… it's NOT One Size Fits All, and I know that… but XXXL is not the size anyone ought to be.

Here's a nice little site with a detailed Body Mass Index calculator: Find out if you're fat! Or better yet, buy one of those fancy-pants electronic scales that measures the electrical impedance of your body, to eliminate the whole "big boned/small boned" issue from the calculations.

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    21 Responses to “All a matter of perspective?”

    1. grimbles said:

      "Why is there an activist community…"
      "I once saw an anorexia porn site…"

      Because people are fucked up and will do anything to validate their circumstances and avoid having to change.

      The thing that gets to me most about obese people is not their personal weight issues. Whatever, you can't be arsed doing something to fix your health problems, that's your business (so long as I don't have to hear you bitching about how horrible fat life is). But when you have a brood of miniature fucking Jabba the Hutts lumbering along behind you, with a hotdog in one hand and a super-sized milkshake in the other, *at 10:30 in the fucking morning* then… then you stop being a lazy shit and being an absolute fucking bastard with a steadily diminishing right to be called human.

      Being a recovering fat-bastard (from 240 to 160 a couple years back) I can safely say, yes, losing weight is hard. It sucks. You can't eat as much. But it's not as hard as your arteries. Plus, it has the added bonus of looking like a human being, not an anthropomorphic bean-bag.

    2. Elie said:

      Nice post, Alpha! I lost 90 lbs in 11 months and my wife lost 60 in 9 months. We both knew it was our own dietary choices that caused the weight gain; neither of us blamed anything but our own stupidity for getting to be the weight we went to. The funny thing is, we tried assloads of different diets over ten years. If there was a diet to try, we did, and none of them took. When I think back to the attempts and the decade-long quest to lose weight, I realize the true motivation to lose was being forced on me by social norms, not by my own desire to be thin. Sure I paid it the proper lip service if I was asked, but I never felt the need for permanent changes. My own desire finally came when my weight got to a point where I had trouble in the "bed" department with my wife. As someone who thoroughly enjoys that activity, my immediate fear of certain difficulties there is what caused me to take action and REALLY want to make changes. I actually found a diet that worked quite quickly, painlessly, and effortlessly (and no, I am not going to post what it is, this is not an advertisement for a diet, I promise). It allowed me to lose weight to where my wife and I both are a high-normal BMI. The problem with losing so fast is what we're dealing with now: we need to find the correct caloric intake to maintain our new weight. So far, about 3 months have passed since the diet ended and we're doing OK. We've even discovered a few problem foods.

      But having lost the weight and now really motivated to keep it off, we're also more observant of other people and watching what they eat and how they eat. Just by watching their choices has given us a roadmap of good and bad dietary choices. We're treating this process as if we were giving up smoking. The physical desire for the food is gone, but now we need to watch we don't slip back into old habits.

      We don't begrudge anyone's weight (we certainly weren't anyone to talk), but we're positive there's enough people that are obese due to poor food choices (like we were) than victims of their own genetics (although I work with people on Medicare and Part D RX plans for a living; I certainly acknowledge those medical disorders are prevalent in a number of people).

      Sorry about the long post, but this is a current thing for my wife and I, and we do believe a lot of this problem stems from both choice and a true unwillingness to discipline themselves to change their lifestyle.

    3. Tildy said:

      I don't know that much about the fat-acceptance movement, but from the little I've read I think it grew out of reactions to having to pay the "social price" you mention rather than (at least initially) out of a general idea that it's ok healthwise to be overweight. The fat-acceptance stuff I've read (the only thing I can remember is a site called Fat!So?, sometime in the '90s) seemed to be saying that what a person does with her body is her business, but that since our culture stigmatizes fat people, and thus they're easy targets, many non-fat people seem to feel that others' bodies are their business too.

      If a person had some other physical attribute that was considered unattractive, the fat-positive literature seemed to be saying, others wouldn't feel so free to treat her/him rudely because of it. The disrespect arises because our thinness-obsessed culture is frightened of and disgusted by fat people, in a "there but for the grace of God go I" sort of way, and non-fat people seem to feel remarkably free to act toward fat people in ways that, in any other scenario, would be seen as blatantly discriminatory. My impression of the fat-acceptance movement was simply that it was trying to lessen the social acceptability of this discrimination, a goal I hope we can all heartily endorse, while leaving out discussions of people's personal choices, including health choices.

      And, of course, some people find fat sexy. I don't think BBW fetishes, for example, are anywhere near as big a social problem as is skinny-porn (in which category I include much of the mainstream media). Research shows that it's healthier to be overweight than underweight, and of course many more people (especially young girls) are likely to be seduced by the pervasive social pressure to be thin than by any images they might see of fatness, which is almost always presented negatively. When normal-weight people are described in advertising and media as "brave" for being able to love their bodies as they are, and for presenting themselves in public as though they presume to be as attractive as the Hollywood ideal, our society still has a long way to go.

    4. alphabitch said:

      @grimbles & Elie: I gotta say, as a lifelong skinny bitch until my mid-twenties, I had NO fucking idea what was going on when I started gaining weight … and then when I found I couldn't even LOSE it, I was hugely depressed. And yes, losing weight is NOT easy. I spent 10 years in the overweight-obese weight range, and by the time I got the proper thyroid medication, my body seemed pretty determined not to let the extra weight go.

      But damn, not having random people ask me when I'm "due" anymore is totally worth it. lol

      @Tildy: The majority of mainstream fat acceptance speakers/sites I've seen are addressing mainly the social bullshit, yes. And I wholeheartedly support that. I've never not made a friend or had a good conversation with someone based on a person's weight.

      BUT the site that triggered this rant was a collection of nude/semi-nude photographs of mostly morbidly obese women (by clinical definition), with the stated goal of "widen[ing] definitions of physical beauty. Literally."

      Given that multiple-fat-rolls level obesity is pretty universally known to be unhealthy, I think that's utterly ridiculous.

      And this particular rant started percolating the first time I heard people protesting against airlines' plans to charge severely overweight people for both the seats they occupied … which, I think, is entirely fair. You don't—even with a severe (as in the second worst test results my diagnosing Dr. had ever seen) thyroid problem—end up that large on accident.

      Also, I've heard multiple studies suggesting that being slightly underweight (certainly not to the point of amenorrhea) is actually shown to prolong life as compared to both normal/healthy weight and slightly overweight individuals.

      If nothing else, I think everyone can agree that living a physically active life is healthier than being sedentary, whether you're skinny or not (hell, back when I was skinny, I often went rounds of "No, I didn't say I was FAT, I said I was OUT OF SHAPE, which I AM. There's a DIFFERENCE." with other women). And I think everyone would agree it's pretty damn difficult to attain the level of morbid obesity when you're an active person (and if you find yourself gaining weight with no significant change in physical activity or diet, GO TO A DOCTOR!).

      At my borderline obese weight of 187, I noticed a definite restriction in physical range of movement (the aforementioned "crossing my legs and having my feet go numb"). THAT is a sign that Something Is Wrong.

      So, yeah, of COURSE people shouldn't be treated like shit because of their size. But unhealthy weight (whether low or high) shouldn't be fucking glorified, or treated like an unavoidable disability, either.

    5. Chaz said:

      I turned 40 this year, which has concentrated my mind a bit on how people age. Before, it was a bit theoretical that a 40 year-old person would genuinely turn into a 60 year-old person, while I still knew them (forgive me, I was a bit slow intellectually before I became an Elder).

      But it also makes you notice how overweight people in their relatively early years are perfectly able to live a fulfilling life, but then it bites them in the arse a little later. As the mobility issues kick in, the diabetes and other issues that greatly restrict their quality of life, suddenly the whole "you've only got one life" thing should kick right into focus.

      Perhaps a little more education that being fat when young leads to a whole crapload of grief , and that it WILL happen to you (if you're fat) might be the trigger that works.

      However Elie points out very clearly above that you can be well aware of issues, but until they actually hit home, some people just won't care enough to change.

    6. Jack said:

      I understand the problem of losing weight after gaining it. I admit that I am a lazy ass when it comes to working out. It probably goes back to middle school in gym class where they used running or pushups as punishment. Anyway, after climing to 251 lbs on a 5'7" frame I decided I had to do something (except diet and exercise). After reading various sites on the internet I ordered Que She chinese herbs.
      They are nothing short of a miracle. There are 11 herbs mixed together to bring your body into balance. The day after I started taking the herbs I lost my craving for food and immediately started eating less. There seems to be a mood lifting herb in it as well because I soon just didn't care if I lost weigh or not. One week later I had lost 5 lbs. I have been on the herbs for about four or five months and have lost 41 lbs. The one side effect some people may hate is that because the herbs increase your metabolism and cause the food to digest faster, there is a flushing effect on the bowel. (Meaning yes you will become friends again with your bathroom.)
      I have had no ill side effects and I have searched the internet for problems with Que She and have found none. Several of my friends have noticed my weight loss and ordered the Que She. One did get very jittery after taking it and stopped; however he did notice the immediate cut back in appetite. Others have had no bad effects and one lost 15 lbs in three or four weeks.
      When all else fails, try the Que She. The only thing I can say is that it worked for me, I feel much better about myself and am wearing clothes that I almost gave away because I never thought I would wear again. I have gone from a 42" waist to a 38" and am looking forward to my 36" waist wardrobe.

    7. grimbles said:

      @Tildy: I think you're right about the reaction to negative opinions of overweight people. But while people might not like being called out on a health issue, and while it's not right to arbitrarily discriminate based on anything, even weight, it's still a serious issue. It may not (usually) have the immediate "you will die if you don't eat" type consequences of anorexia et al, but there are severe health problems stemming from obesity.

      There needs to be a line drawn between what is bigotry and what is just being practical. A while back, this was produced for an Australian TV show, regarding this very issue. Beyond the fact that I would contend that anti-semitism and mocking fat people are on slightly different levels, the point is legitimate. Regardless of *how* wrong it is, it's still wrong. But alpha's airline example is a good one. That's where the 'fat pride' stuff goes into the batshit stupid range. It goes from stamping out discrimination, promoting equality, to promoting inequality in favour of over-weight people. When you expect a healthy-weight individual to share their seat with an obese individual – each having paid the same ticket price – you're saying that the healthy-weight person has less right to get what they paid for.

      As alpha said, for those who are truly obese, it doesn't just happen. There are either underlying physiological conditions or other problems whether they be psychological (my weight gain was associated with depression) or just poor nutrition. All of which should be addressed. And just as mental health is subject to public awareness campaigns (at least in Australia), obesity is something that needs to be addressed – although similarly, stigmatising people is not the answer. The difference between being under- and over-weight is that some random person being over-weight can in fact have an impact on one's life. I can't count the number of times I've been almost-crushed by some morbidly obese person who overbalances on public transport, or become physically ill after being jammed between one of the aforementioned and a bus/train wall on an ungodly hot day.

      Generally speaking, what someone does with their body is their own business, yes. But when as above it directly impacts on other people – even to the slightest degree – it stops being entirely their own business. On a societal level, obesity is unhealthy for the entity that is society – particularly when it is such a large chunk of the population as in the west. Over-weight people tend to be less healthy. Less healthy people tend to be less productive. But two people working the same job, one healthy-weight, one over-weight, get paid the same amount for different amounts of work. Particularly in Australia, the UK, and anywhere else with public healthcare, it places an even greater burden on society through insanely high medical expenses.

      In this respect it is very similar to smoking. Thankfully, there's not such a problem with passive-fatness, but the toll it takes is significant. While a personal choice that should be respected, it is not one that should be without consequences. Smokers get to do their stupid thing, but they don't get to do it on planes, or in restaurants. There are restrictions placed upon smokers as a result of their personal choice. That's not discrimination, that's just pragmatism. And similar to how glamorisation of smoking has become something of a hot topic recently, glamorisation of over-weightness is not on. A personal choice is one thing. Actively encouraging, or even normalising, an undeniably unhealthy life is not okay. And it's a far cry from "don't mock the fat guys"

    8. Heather said:

      Nutrition needs to be taught to kids as early as kindergarten and continued through high school. When I was in college, I was blown away by the number of kids my age who ate out because they had never been taught to cook.

      I truly believe that we need to put warning labels on sodas like there are warning labels on cigerettes. People need to understand that giving their 3 year old mountain dew instead of milk can potentially doom them to being obese.

      Another interesting thing to me is how women's clothing sizes have changed to make people feel better about their weight.

      I've sewed since I was a little girl, and sewing patterns go by measurements not by clothing "sizes". Sewing pattern sizes have stayed consistent since the 1950's. My size on a clothing pattern is a size 10 and that has stayed the same since high school.

      In off the rack clothing sizes, I have gone from a size 6 or 8 in high school to a size 1 now. And in some pant sizes, I take a size 0. What the fuck is a size zero? What's next? Negative sizes?

      Granted, I am a skinny bitch due to genetics: my father is a stick…my grandmother used to say that if he stood sideways and stuck his tongue out, he'd look like a zipper.

      It's fucking insane how people obsess over clothing "sizes".

      We need a "the importance is health not necessarily weight or clothing size" movement.

      You can be a 180 pound woman (tall, large framed, admittedly) and be healthy. Look at Laila Ali, daughter of Mohammed Ali (or Cassius Clay for the purists in the crowd.) She works out a lot, and looks great.

    9. Tildy said:

      @Alphabitch: I just don't think it's likely that websites like the one you mention are going to change much about our culture's obsession with thinness. And obviously some people find fat attractive. Sure, being overweight isn't healthy, but I don't really think the site you saw is promoting an unhealthy lifestyle; instead it would seem to simply be addressing current social inequities. As the commenters here have said, many people's weight fluctuates during their lifetime, and why should they be stigmatized or feel less a whole person for it? I think the social issues are, or rather should be, separate from health concerns, public and private.

      Widening the definition of physical beauty to include all sorts of bodies makes sense to me, given that, well, we have all sorts of bodies around us, most of which don't look like the southern California ideal. (Full disclosure: I live in SoCal and am comfortably within the "normal" weight range for my height. Whenever I go anywhere else (the east coast of America, Europe) I notice immediately that I'm treated as much more attractive, because other local cultures don't expect women to look like Barbie dolls. Here I'm just weird for not being gym-bunny buff, not having a boob job and not trying to look younger than I am.) And I once hung out briefly in a midwestern American town where every single resident seemed to be overweight. I wondered how those people saw themselves and the people around them in relation to the media stereotypes they undoubtedly saw on tv every day.

      @grimbles: In America the obesity "epidemic" is starting to be seen as a major public health concern, largely because of the way our health insurance works. We essentially gamble that we won't get sick, but still end up paying high premiums which support care for those who do. "Wellness", as the health industry calls preventive care, is starting to be taken seriously as a way of bringing down costs, which is of course the only thing the industry cares about. The two major areas of concern are, yup, smoking and weight, and they're starting to be addressed in systematic ways by both private health care and public agencies. This is, I think, the right way to deal with the issues you raise.

    10. Larry said:

      I find that movement more of a way to rationalize behavior and everything with it than really about embracing all body types. People need to accept responsibility for their lifestyle in whatever form it takes. Obesity is not like age, race, or even sexual orientation. It's normally a series of poor choices which leads to it. I'll be nice sure, but I don't have to go out of my way to validate them.

      I admit it, I see someone so fat they cannot walk under their own power or they need a cane and my initial reaction is "gross". That is not healthy, it is not attractive, and it is not good for them or their families. I get on the train and have to jockey around someone that is as big as two or three people and I get annoyed at them. Or if I get smushed by them.

      Regarding the plane tickets. If someone is taking up two seats of space, make them pay for it. It sucks, it is embarrasing, but screw em I say.

      Someone who is a big person, but obviously healthy has never been an issue in general I think. It's the ones who are obviously unhealthy and who look, well for lack of a better term, fat that seem to draw the negative reactions. Society does have standards and we all react to them in various ways.

    11. Elie said:

      @Heather: You just reminded me of a time when I used to teach high school. We were on a field trip and we had to stop for the kids could get some food. I chose to have us stop at a Subway. Around us were a Subway, Wendy's, and McDonalds. Because I chose Subway and not McDonalds, I got dressed down by the administration. McDonalds was cheaper, faster, and more acceptable. I am not kidding. I'm not saying Subway is the healthiest thing to do, but of all of them, parents wanted their children to go to McDonalds. That's barely food! This could be a factor of our obesity problem.

    12. Heather said:

      @Elie: Wow. That's really sad.

    13. ian said:

      @elie – unfortunately Subway must have gone downhill, I think i'd rather eat a newspaper soaked in urine. Never before did I think that it was possible to make bread taste worse than at McDonalds but Subway manage it by a country mile.

    14. kevin said:

      I totally agree with Ian. Somewhere along the line, Subway f*cked up.

      I love the comments(so far) and I almost totally agree with what alpha is saying. Unfortunately, my problem isn't on the obese side, but the underweight size. It all started when I was 5 and I got surgery to correct my acid reflux problem. From the time I was 5 to the time I was 11 I only weighed 45 pounds… no joke. I then decided to start swimming competitively and I somehow managed to bring my weight up to 120 when i was 14.

      I joined the HS swim team and 3 weeks later I went from 120 to about 88 pounds. I gained the weight back a few weeks later but for a minute there I was a little nervous. Now I'm starting my 2nd year in college and while all my friends around me are gaining weight, I'm losing weight.. and I eat more than they do!

      So it seems like problem is opposite of alpha's. She had a tough time getting the weight off, and I'm having a hell of a time trying to keep it on. Any Ideas anyone?

    15. grimbles said:

      Get your thyroid checked and/or chocolate.

    16. Marina said:

      There's a huge (no pun) difference between curvy and obese. I get tired of obese women being considered curvy because well, they aren't curvy, they are lumpy; packed with cellulite and rolly-polly fatty tissue.

      I was huge, lost 83 pounds and I have to tell you, even when at my largest weight I was grossed out by how many fat people are seen out and about in the USA. I lived abroad in Europe four years and being fit is the rule, no exceptions. I had no choice but to lose the weight as the lifestyle was much more active.

      In the US people sit too much, eat unhealthy and are not active enough to burn it all. P.E. isn't taught in schools anymore like it could be. Health is not taught anymore, and boo-hoo a kid walk to school or ride a bike.

      Men who seek these morbidly obese women as partners are sick in the head as well. Some types of men want to be needed and keep huge women prisoners in their own body's, this gives the male partner ultimate control over their woman's life.

      The movement of fat acceptance is dying a slow death. Much like smoking, being fat is being looked at more and more as a health risk, and rightly so. They are considering a fat tax on soda-pop and I hope they do it.

      I was surprised yesterday when eating out at a Mexican joint to see a huge teen walked in and ordered a coke. I thought, seriously, she could have ordered rice milk or water with lemon. People are ignorant, they don't know what to do or how do go about losing weight. I think schools need to start serving better (healthier) options for kids, parents need to be held accountable for having huge kids (maybe it is a form of neglect?), and schools need to educate students on how to live a healthier active life.

      I think it would solve a lot.

      Fat acceptance is like accepting that someone will smoke or drink themselves to death. Let's hand a person a crack pipe, after all they have an addiction. Being fat is a sign of addiction too, food addiction for unhealthy emotional reasons.

      I couldn't agree more with the article.

    17. SentWest said:

      Well said article.

      I'm a smoker, and what horrifies me about the fat acceptance movement is the complete denial of the health risks of being obese. From the pictures and comments of these folks, they are *clearly* not just carrying an extra 5 pounds that are difficult to lose.

      I think that it's a good idea to fight the perception that only women who are magically able to retain the body of a 15 year old are beautiful, but I've found that that perception is really only law in a few exclusive places and in-groups. Hell, ask men. Most of them are attracted to women who look like women, not teenagers.

      Back to health though. I smoke, and I recognize that I will die of at least one horrible disease if I don't quit. Doing so is a risk that I choose to accept at this time, and if I end up with cancer I have no one to blame but myself. Period. I would never claim that cigarettes are harmless and since they're hard to quit everyone should just accept me killing myself slowly.

      What bothers me greatly about the FA people is this delusional denial that weight doesn't affect health. I see the obese people of my young age (late 20's) huffing and wheezing trying to hobble about in the grocery store. I see how their legs are bent at unnatural angles trying to get around their massive thighs. I cannot comprehend how being so physically limited by one's flesh, let alone the strain that puts on the internal mechanics can even possibly be seen as healthy. It's simply delusional.

      The other thing that angers me are the endless comments I've seen about how they've "tried everything" and can't lose weight no matter how much they exercise therefore it's a hopeless case. Pure bullshit. The human body is a fabulous thing, but it CANNOT defy the laws of physics. If your body doesn't burn calories, congratulations, you are dead. There is no disease or physical condition that sucks calories out of the aether and pastes them to you. There's only one way for them to get there, and it's by the mouth. These folks are deluding themselves, and getting pissed at me that I don't buy the fairy tale.

    18. BFS Dude said:

      Just on a side note, that picture is funny and very true. I rather be an obese person then a super skinny wish bone. Obesity isnt a brain disease, but bolimic and anerexia is. It sickens me when i watch an ad on telly and they have this super skinny chick advertising a brekfast ceral, her stomach rummbles becasue she been skipping breakfast. It looked like she hadn't a bite to eat in her life. Those ad's have got to stop they are making more and more young ladies turn into skinny wish bones and the so called healthy eating establishment are making cart loads of money from it. These ads are like the smoking ads which have been banned in my country. This should be banned too.

    19. grimbles said:

      @BFS: Comparing obesity and anorexia/bulemia is stupid. Obesity is a physical state. Anorexia and bulemia are mental conditions that lead to a physical state. There are psychological conditions that lead to obesity, too.

      Preferring obesity to being underweight is absurd. Both are unhealthy, but the difference is that coming back to healthy from being underweight is physically much easier than losing enough weight to go from obese to healthy weight.

    20. AC said:

      I'm so glad to have the internet back. I missed you fucking cunts :D

    21. andrea said:

      Hi, :) I laughed a lot about your blogpost commenting the life, uhh, death of Chris Mac Candless, which I just found on the net. I loved the movie but I also like your comments and "reseach", not taking everything for granted…
      And this business about obese people: I was always astonished about the way American's are socially "accepting" obesity, as here in Europe it is really more regarded as an illness. (I don't know though, if this helps people to loose weight..)

      In any case, I enjoyed reading your musings…
      greetings from Paris
      Andrea