Condolezza Rice: Sociopathic Torture Fetishist
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OK, so by now we all know that the Bush administration basically gave the thumbs up to use torture on suspected terrorists (especially the ones with brown skin and foreign accents). Hell, they even got their Attorney General in on the deal, trying to come up with some legal argument that excused them all from being sick, soulless evil fucks who're willing to do damn near anything to get their way …
… but what I didn't know is that they actually got all hands-on about it:
Yep, good ol' Condi Rice, and a few of her henchmen, actually sat down and planned out exactly how the prisoners were going to be tortured.
See, now I was going to say something about how starting university at the age of 15, while still attending high school part time, probably made her into enough of a workaholic, uber-nerd social leper that she couldn't be expected to develop anything resembling a normal social/empathetic attachment to humanity in general. To be followed by a joke that torturing Muslims is probably just her way of making up for not being a school shooter back in the day …
But I couldn't bring myself to do it. Because, having started college at 15 myself, and been the brainiac social pariah of my class through most of high school, I know full fucking well that no matter how rotten the other kids in school act, it's no fucking excuse for growing up to be a ruthless, soulless, sociopathic cunt like her. So how did she end up being such a cutthroat, power-hungry, cold-blooded bitch? Who the fuck knows. Maybe she was a more sensitive child than yours truly, and the meanie kids really did break her little heart and rip her tender soul to shreds … maybe it's a genetic mutation she shares with ol' GW … maybe it actually IS possible to sell your soul to the devil, and the entire administration lined up to do that as soon as Bushie took the oath of office.
Whatever the case, it's fucked. They're trying to sell us a gloriously morally righteous war against evil, soulless monsters who have no care for human rights, and hate us for our freedoms* and all … and we're supposed to be the knights in shining armour, standing up for all that is good, moral and holy in this world. But what none of these half-witted heartless assholes we call "The White House" seem to understand is that torture takes all that precious moral high ground, and flushes it right down the toilet, alongside those pages some jackass ripped out of a prisoner's Koran.
Yo! President and company! You know how you're always waving the Jesus flag as proof you're all good, lovable, trustworthy people? Maybe you missed the part about doing unto others as you would have others do unto you? Which one of you wants to be the first one to hop up on the waterboarding table? Take turns now, I know y'all can't wait to get the chance to have done to you as you've done unto others, but there's only room for one at a time.
Someone bring in the dogs …
Do you find this as stunningly disgusting as I do? Sign the TrueMajority petition demanding Condi's resignation.
Yet another video on this story … this time, showing Condi telling Congress
all about how the United States doesn't condone torture. Lying cunt.
*A quick thanks to BushCo for taking away enough of those freedoms that the terrorists ought to be just about done hating us. Any day now, I'm sure …
It's actually kind of disappointing to see them having been so stupid as to have all this crap on record.
What bugs me most, though, and it's slightly off topic (and not aimed at your site specifically, from the way you write your posts I strongly doubt you were among the brainwashed masses back before this latest mess started): is how it's only now that people are talking about all of this.
I remember clearly how people were back then, or rather: how the online community was back then. People were buying into everything like complete idiots. I kept thinking there had to be something in the water over there, because none of it made any sense to me. Speaking to any of my US friends was almost like talking to a wall.
The facts on the table didn't really change, and yet it's only now - after two nations have been destroyed, that people are suddenly talking about how messed up it all was. (and subsequently, many of the same people that blindly supported it back then, are now pushing all the responsibility on the ones they supported)
Other than that, I don't think having a 'rough' youth could ever explain these people. Quite the contrary, experiencing pain and sadness is probably what they lack - which made them into who they are now.
People tend to be very unwilling to give suffering to others once they realize it actually doesn't feel too good. 'Course, that's one of those "truths" that doesn't scale up too well, as I guess it could be used to excuse most wars. In general though, and on a personal level, it holds true. These people - the people ruling the US (far from simply the ones in office now) - lack the insight of having felt pain and despair. (or they lack the mental capacity to absorb such wisdom)
10th April 2008 at 7:24 pm | permalink |Amen. BRAVO! You always tend to put my EXACT thoughts into print. I signed the petition! (and called my bullshit republican Congressperson Heather Wilson too.)
11th April 2008 at 1:38 pm | permalink |It's one thing to be an evil fuck, it's quite another to find ways to justify that behaviour and so corrupt the morals of a wholesociety.
I agree with Zef
11th April 2008 at 2:51 pm | permalink |@zef: I thought I was living in a parallel universe when all this shit started. The way everyone was just following along without questioning anything … it was horrifying.
And yeah, the fact that it took so long for any significant number of people to wake up and start talking sense again is even worse.
Personally, I was one of the fruitloops who argued that Bush never legitimately won an election to begin with. ;-)
@thomas p: Thanks. :-)
@gyro: If any group of people were experts and taking something awful and making into something even worse, it's the fucks we have in office now.
11th April 2008 at 4:45 pm | permalink |I agree, that is disgusting! I never knew the majority of that, although they do give more US news on our regular channels these days, I have to watch cable to get a full accurate view of worldwide news past and present.
Excuse my digression, but the "Bush never legitimately won an election" caught my eye, they did that kind of thing here in Bolton. Labour lost power to the Conservatives so what do they do? They take Bolton and surrounding areas out of Lancashire [which is where we still are legally and geographically, it has to go on all our post, banks etc] and create "Greater Manchester" voila! Now Manchester is bigger, all areas together, Labour win *woohoo* excuse the sarcasm!
Greater Manchester does not exist, just on a paranormal level for Hospitals, Dentists and elections!
Is there any depth they will not sink too! Oh and our "lot" tortured some POW and filmed it, so stick them on the waterboarding table too, please! We have a hose pipe ban on or I would myself!
12th April 2008 at 12:01 am | permalink |They crouched in their back office like a group of sadistic chefs cooking up ways to torture, the final product has been placed on the counter, no one is buyng it so now they are forced to EIT IT.
E nhanced
I nterrogation
T echniques
Wonder what the new administration
will be capable of by showing their true thoughts.
http://thecomedynet.com/funniest-inspirational-poster-presidential-games/
12th April 2008 at 10:53 am | permalink |I know I'm gonna get a lot of criticism but I think torture should not be off limits.
12th April 2008 at 12:12 pm | permalink |I'm not talking about any type of torture and also not a widespread use of it. It would have to be well "regulated" and any torture authorized by the secretary of state ( at least).
Just to be clear, what I mean by torture is the non-long term damage type, like sleep deprivation, waterboarding, etc.
Torture is inefficient.
Disregarding the bestiality of it, it flat out does not work. It's the tactic of fear used in controlling and oppressing others: not for getting accurate information.
Good for governments that wants to control their own.
Even the militaries themselves admit this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture#Aspects_of_torture)
The only thing torture excels at, is causing false positives. Nice, for making people admit to stuff they didn't do - and had nothing to do with. Looks good in the media, all that.
12th April 2008 at 1:05 pm | permalink |@zef:
12th April 2008 at 1:46 pm | permalink |I am no specialist but I think that torture could be efficient. If you have any good scientific work that says it's not, please post the link.
The secret services around the world probably have a lot of knowledge on the "most reliable" torture techniques.
It's rather hard to point to scientific work showing the inefficiency of torture considering torture is _illegal_, what I can show you are commentaries from people (from the wikipedia article I plugged) stating: "Some people, such as Alan M. Dershowitz and Mirko Bagaric, have argued that the need for information outweighs the moral and ethical arguments against torture.[38][39] However, this argument is refuted by experience in Iraq where interrogators saw an increase of 50 percent more high-value intelligence after coercive practices were banned. Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the American commander in charge of detentions and interrogations, stated "a rapport-based interrogation that recognizes respect and dignity, and having very well-trained interrogators, is the basis by which you develop intelligence rapidly and increase the validity of that intelligence."[40] Others point out that despite administration claims that water boarding has "disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks", no one has come up with a single documented example of lives saved thanks to torture.[41]" and similar.
And really. The burden of evidence is certainly not on the side in opposition to torture. There really is 0 proof of torture working for extracting accurate information.
There is of course plenty proof that torture acts as… well, torture. Abuse. You can get people to do what you want and say what you want with it, sure. Accurate information though, usefulness in interrogations etc… there's no proof showing that it helps this.
On the contrary.
Remember that guy who confessed to, what was it, 20+ various plots and bomb attacks? Several he was not even plausible to have had an opportunity to do? That's the stuff torture gets you.
There really is no way around the fact that, if you get the wrong person and torture them for information - you'll probably never find out you got the wrong person. (and you'll get whatever "information" you want, either way, so you won't care)
Torturing people for information is like the old witch tests.
12th April 2008 at 2:19 pm | permalink |@nocturna: I remember my friend Colin talking about the "Greater Manchester" thing … yeah, they do a lot of 'creative redistricting' around the US too, but here the voting districts aren't tied to any other legal geographic zones (postal mail, etc.).
@funny guy: I suppose we'll find out about the new administration when we find out which gang ends up in the White House.
@bruno: I've got to side with zef on this one. I've never heard that torture accomplishes anything but getting people to confess to a bunch of shit they didn't do.
12th April 2008 at 4:21 pm | permalink |@alpha:
I'm not sure.
First: Scientific evidence ini favor of the "reliability" of torture will never be available because of public outrage and criminal implications.
Second: Most of the torture cases that we know is made by non-qualified personnel ( Abu Graib, for example) and are motivated by sadistic reasons and/or making someone confess to a crime he didn't do.
Third: Torture has always been one of the main weapons of ditatorial regimes to fight any resistance movement. I know it seems weird that I use ditatorial regimes as an example, but I hope you get the point.
Summarizing, if torture works I think it should be used on isolated cases. If it doesn't , I'm obviously against. We'll never know for sure if it does work or not, but my intuition is that it does.
14th April 2008 at 10:28 am | permalink |ps. The arcticle by Mirko Bagaric, "A case for torture", is very interesting. I hadn't read it,it's worth a read.
I've always hated that bitch and now this just gives me more reason.
15th April 2008 at 7:41 am | permalink |@zef: agreed about 'Torturing people for information is like the old witch tests.'
tie bricks to their feet and if they sink they aren't a witch but they're dead.. if they float they are a witch and they are dead anyway!
15th April 2008 at 7:43 am | permalink |@Bruno wrote: "Torture has always been one of the main weapons of ditatorial regimes to fight any resistance movement." Yep. Along with kidnapping, "disappearing", and outright murder. A rule of terror, you might say. And dictatorial regimes have a way of being overthrown too (even without the US sticking it's nose in the middle). I'd hardly use that as a template for effective counterterroism techniques.
Mirko Bagaric, "A case for torture" Read it … and he's talking pretty specifically about cases where a known guilty party is in a position to definitely reveal information to immediately save someone's life. Problem being, we're torturing people to find out whether or not they're guilty, most often with no reason to believe they hold any immediately lifesaving information either.
@Swayla: "I've always hated that bitch …" Yep, if any woman ever deserved the title "fucking cunt", she'd definitely be it.
15th April 2008 at 6:28 pm | permalink |"Mirko Bagaric, "A case for torture" Read it … and he's talking pretty specifically about cases where a known guilty party is in a position to definitely reveal information to immediately save someone's life."
15th April 2008 at 7:31 pm | permalink |That's exactly when I think the use of torture is "acceptable".
@bruno: Ah, OK then. :-)
15th April 2008 at 9:39 pm | permalink |Just found and added a new video to the post …
16th April 2008 at 4:04 pm | permalink |It is high time we impeach the bush regime - I mean every fucking cunt in the lot! Then (as they are all obviously guilty and unfit for public "service") put together a Nuremburg type trial to include all present and past bush regime fucking cunts. The most heinous violators of common human decency - Rice, Rumsfeld, bush, cheney, Ashkkkroft, Gonzales, Brownie, Libby, Chertoff, etc., could then be hung with artistic flair from the cherry trees. The remainder should be remanded to work part time at Walmart and Home Depot for minimal wage and no health care, like so many others.
18th April 2008 at 11:17 am | permalink |