OK, Fuck You again, Obama. Seriously.
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So I sent the Obama campaign a little note today, after reading a nice little article on the more than 2-1 vote in favor of allowing the government to spy on any American who chooses to communicate with someone overseas, and grant immunity to the telecom companies who helped them do it before the fucking spineless worms that pass for Democrats in Congress actually made it legal (aka FISA 2008). Basically, I said I was disgusted, and wouldn't be donating any more money.
I mean really, Obama. Come the fuck ON here. Oh, you're Mr. Change, are you, you fucking pathetic political coward? THAT'S what you fucking call CHANGE?! Voting the BushCo party line, and then giving some lame excuse about it being "the best we could do"?! A filibuster would have been the best you, personally, could have done. Y'know, the filibuster you promised in regards to this particular bill?
Did your new buddies at Bilderberg convince you that the whole "change" shtick is overrated? Or are you really just that much of a lying fucking pathetic turncoat, who just happens to be a better actor than Hillary?
Well, y'know, people change their minds and all … here's some of what Obama had to say about his change of heart:
The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe — particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention — once I’m sworn in as President — to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.
Now, I've always believed that it's better to have politicians who are willing to change their positions in the face of new evidence, than have 'em stick to their badly-aimed guns just so nobody accuses them of "waffling" … but to me, that paragraph sounds like code for:
I'm paying lip-service to the right-wing's fear-mongering campaign, because I've realized that Fox News and the McCain campaign really can win votes by convincing people I'm "soft on terror". Given the choice between standing up for my principles — along with the supporters who have funded my campaign, and who almost unanimously want a significant departure from Bush's policies — and selling out my beliefs & my supporters in the hopes that I can win over some of McCain's votes without losing too many of my loyalists (because c'mon, who else do the progressives have to vote for?!), I've chosen to sell out. I do so with the dubious assurance — once I don't have to worry about FOX, McCain, et al., eroding my support among moderates — that I will find some way of making you think I went back and fixed it.
Here's what Obama had to say about the bill last year, when he was still going head-to-head against an opponent who's big weakness was her image as the status-quo, "establishment" candidate, requiring him to actually take positions that suggested he might genuinely change something:
December 17, 2007: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies and has cosponsored Senator Dodd’s efforts to remove that provision from the FISA bill. Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections Americans trust the Congress to protect. Senator Obama supports a filibuster of this bill, and strongly urges others to do the same. It’s not clear whether he can return for the vote, but under the Senate rules, the side trying to end a filibuster must produce 60 votes to cut off debate. Whether he is present for the vote or not, Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.”
See, that is the candidate I thought I was supporting. Fucking backstabbing bastard.
But really, who else do progressives and liberals have to vote for, without risking another 4–8 years of right wing disaster?
So, given that I probably will still vote for the bastard, even though it looks like he's acclimating nicely to the two-faced, insincere, bullshit world of national politics, I'm going to be giving my money to the StrangeBedfellows campaign instead. They're organizing a "money bomb" donation event (pledge now, but make the actual donation on August 8th … so they get a monstrous landslide of donations all at once) with the aim of using the money to form a pro-civil liberties lobbying group in D.C. … first order of business: Putting an end to unconstitutional surveillance policies.
(You may have noticed the banner I put up on their behalf in the sidebar yesterday …)
And hey, if Obama actually does live up to his promise to review our surveillance programs, and work to ensure our civil liberties are being protected, he'll really appreciate having these guys around! I'm sure they'll be more than happy to provide him with information to assist his efforts. ;-)
If you'd like to add your name to a full-page newspaper ad the ACLU is going to be running in protest of this bullshit, you can sign up on their site here: http://www.aclu.org/fisaaction. I'd like to see so many people sign up, they have to print the entire page in three-point type.
Agreed! Didn't like that vote, nor did I like him saying he's going to be giving tax dollars for faith-based initiatives. Unfortunately, (up to this point, at least), he's still the better option of the two. I personally find that sad that I feel that way about him now, because three months ago, I thought he was a GREAT choice, not just the lesser of two evils.
Oh well. Maybe I'm being too harsh. It's only one vote (albeit an important one) measured against dozens of other votes. I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.
9th July 2008 at 6:13 pm | permalink |[...] What's more, Obama voted for this idiocy and invasion of privacy. Everyone knows I have been in support of Obama's campaign, because I think he is the least likely to perpetuate another 4 years of the same crap we have been dealing with since 2000. However, I am really disappointed in his decision today. Hell, even Hillary got it right! I think one of my favorite bloggers over at f*ckingc*nts.com says it best in relation to Mr. Obama voting in favorite of this unethical bill: I mean really, Obama. Come the fuck ON here. Oh, you're Mr. Change, are you, you fucking pathetic political coward? THAT'S what you fucking call CHANGE?! Voting the BushCo party line, and then giving some lame excuse about it being "the best we could do"?! A filibuster would have been the best you, personally, could have done. Y'know, the filibuster you promised in regards to this particular bill? [link] [...]
9th July 2008 at 8:29 pm | trackback from Freedom Just Went the Way of the Dodo : deletedItems: Life, Love and the Pursuit of Zombies.I'm gonna assume this is the FISA bill? (oh wait, the title of the page, if not the article, says FISA >.>) Continuing on this assumption, my understanding of it is that it provides immunity from civil suits for telecoms, but says nothing about criminal immunity. Is this something that was patched up? Cos I recall suggestions that a vote for FISA in that form would be a useful real politik maneuver, but still leave the way open for an Obama attorney general to anally brutalise execs and politicians who'd been party to it in criminal proceedings…
Admittedly I've not heard much in the last week, but that was my understanding /shrug.
Either way, there's always going to be stuff a politician does that you don't agree with, unless that politician is you. And unless Obama's been acting since he started in social justice work, he's a better man than MC. Here's my cynicism: I'd rather a good man who plays politics, than a dick who plays politics :P
10th July 2008 at 12:49 am | permalink |Or maybe this is how he intends to get the people who voted for BUSH to vote for him.
Even with all this, I just can't fathom voting McCain come November.
10th July 2008 at 3:43 am | permalink |I think that once he's elected he'll actually investigate what the Bush admin. did with this spying and hold them accountable. Unfortunately, because the fear campaign has worked so well, this is what he has to do to get in office.
10th July 2008 at 6:54 am | permalink |@Thomas P - "Unfortunately, because the fear campaign has worked so well, this is what he has to do to get in office.
Yes, unfortunately deceit is just one of the many shameless tools needed to be a politician.
10th July 2008 at 9:51 am | permalink |Yeah, I think he caved in to the fear-mongering too. Hopefully he'll get back to his old self once he's elected. It's just too bad that the repubs have scared americans so much that he has to pander to that crap.
Grimbles can back me up on this: aussies don't hear all the fear and terrorist crap that y'all have in the US. Yet, there's a country full of 250 million muslims right next door (Indonesia). Can you imagine the hysterics the US'ns would be put through if there were a quarter of a billion muslims living right next to them? Shit, they right wing nutwacks would've nuked them.
I don't like the fact he has to mention god all the time (since the vast majority of US'ns are brainwashed) but at least he's trying to found the grass roots organizations that actually do some good with helping poor folks.
He's still a million percent better than McCain.
10th July 2008 at 5:13 pm | permalink |You can sign up to have your name added to a newspaper ad the ACLU is running in protest of all this crap:
http://www.aclu.org/fisaaction
10th July 2008 at 5:14 pm | permalink |oops, that should be fund, not found, the grass roots organizations
10th July 2008 at 5:15 pm | permalink |Dave, how long have you been in Aus? Cos recently you're right, we've not been getting a huge amount of the fearmongering (mostly cos people would say 'Yeah, so fucking what?'), but in the few years after '01 Howard was going nuts with it. Not to mention all the psycho crap about the EEEEEVIL 'boat people'.
Granted your average Aussie isn't quite as gullible as your average American, at least when it comes to politics. I'm not sure of the historical roots, but here the government tends to be afraid of the people, not the other way around.
10th July 2008 at 6:32 pm | permalink |@grimbles - "Granted your average Aussie isn't quite as gullible as your average American, at least when it comes to politics. I'm not sure of the historical roots, but here the government tends to be afraid of the people, not the other way around."
What kinda fuckin democracy you call that?:)
I admire Australia in that I never hear anything about you in the news(or anywhere else). If it wasn't for Crocodile Dundee I wouldn't even know you exist.
10th July 2008 at 7:15 pm | permalink |I hate that guy >.>
11th July 2008 at 6:00 am | permalink |@Grimbles - Been here since Oct 2000 so I too had a front row seat down here. A few loonies did go ballistic (did you know that many of Howard's advisors were trained by Bush's staff?) but after a bit the public wised up.
I remember a story out of the US shortly after Sept 11th. Some idiot redneck in the south went and shot (and killed) a dark skinned guy wearing a type of turban; for no reason at all. The guy he killed was Indian and a devout Hindu. But the idiot redneck just had to go and shoot him with no provocation. Sounds like someone we know on this site, eh?
I personally like it that the head of government can lose his seat in parliament and end up out on the street right quick like. It's a democracy that works.
If the people are afraid of the government, then that turns fascist right darned quick. I like the fact we still have civil liberties down here.
It seems to me that the average american voter has a lot in common with my tomato plants: very happy when fed lots of bullshit.
A lot of americans feel that the world begins and ends at their borders and they are the only ones who matter. Sad…
I've also found that in the countries I've visited I get a lot of angry looks cus of my accent. When I'm asked where I'm from I say Alaska (true) and suddenly everyone is friendly.
11th July 2008 at 4:26 pm | permalink |@Alaskan Dave Down Under - "A lot of americans feel that the world begins and ends at their borders and they are the only ones who matter. Sad…"
Not being a big world traveler I can't speak from experience; however, I can't help but wonder if the same can't be said for a lot of Chinese, Japanese, Iranian, Brits..etc, people. Having worked in mainframe customer support for many years I come in phone contact with a lot of self righteous assholes from around the world. You can sometimes detect an attitude from the words "how can I help you" on. Seems (in my opinion) that based on the actions of our political leaders, the average American gets painted with the same wide brush.
When a person starts out with a certain(usually negative) predisposed disposition, then the cycle begins. Act like an asshole, I'll treat you like an asshole. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect.
Of course the US has it's share of ignorant bastards, but I bet there's a few cockwaffles (one word?) in Australia as well. I personally don't feel a need to go onto an Australian based BLOG to point it out to them.
12th July 2008 at 8:26 am | permalink |Oops! After doing further research it seems my use of "cockwaffles" wasn't in the proper context. How about "assholes".
12th July 2008 at 10:29 am | permalink |You might take offense, but the stats on the appalling level of international geographical literacy amongst Americans kind of speak for themselves. Not all American's are shit-for-brains, but they make up a statistically significant larger portion than the shit-for-brains-brigades elsewhere in the world. I think the relative difference is the point that was being made, not 'Americans are stupid and everyone else is smart' =p
12th July 2008 at 11:26 pm | permalink |@grimbles - No offense taken(even if it was intended). As a general rule I think people should be able to exchange thoughts/ideas/opinions without being offended or intentionally offensive. That's one of the tools we use to learn.
My post was questioning ADDU's statement "A lot of Americans feel that the world begins and ends at their borders and they are the only ones who matter. Sad…". I took that as a reference to the overall pious patriotism of the average American, not intelligence.
I was merely questioning whether the "average" American is really more patriotic or self righteous than people of other large countries(or even small). I think it's natural and even healthy for a person to take pride in the country they call home. Remember, many Americans have never had any personal interaction with people from other countries or even other states in some cases, so yes, they have a hard time focusing/caring about the bigger picture. Take care of your own is not necessarily a bad creed to live your life by.
My last comment was not meant to be personal and I should have worded it differently. My point was that if the average American continuously hears negative/derogatory comments questioning their patriotism/intelligence …etc, they will naturally become defensive. At that point the cycle I was referring to begins, and the rest becomes a pissing contest.
As far as "international geographical literacy" I agree. We tend to leave that up to our political leaders since their the ones who've taken upon themselves to policy the world. The importance of 'international geographical literacy" is another debate altogether. I can't remember the original topic as it is, but I'm sure I've strayed considerably. Sorry!
Of yeah, Obama is definitely waffling but unfortunately I'm not all that surprised.
13th July 2008 at 4:39 am | permalink |http://livinginsmallsizes.com/2008/07/09/illegal-wiretaps-change-we-can-believe-in
15th July 2008 at 2:17 pm | permalink |Hooray, I'm back! I've pretty much lost all hope for politics in this country. It's not so much politicians fault either, it seems to me that the voters are widely to blame. If Obama has to do this to get votes then we're a seriously screwed up nation.
Of course I'm not trying to defend Obama, this is a load of bs and he's a smart enough guy to know that. Bah.. I don't know.. I'm half asleep.
Also, fuck comcast.
No seriously, fuck comcast.
17th July 2008 at 2:51 am | permalink |Puh_leeeeeeeze. Is anyone really surprised at this??? The guy has no core values, he is driven, like all the others, by blind ambition. The big problem I see is that he has no expertise and would probably wind up fucking the world, as did Jimmy Carter. (Yes I know that Bush had plenty of experience, and look what he did!)
17th July 2008 at 4:02 pm | permalink |Old bitter, gun totin', religion clingin' Barry the wacky Hussein Obama made the breathless hard left in America have collective orgasms everytime he said he would cut and run out of Iraq, regardless of the dire results. The left supported him mostly for this naive position, but they also drooled when he promised to socialize and ruin the world's best health care system. (Yes, I know, some in America can't get an operation when they need it. But,,where do the Saudi princes go when they need an operation?? I do not think they run to Canada and England!)
So,, Barry H changed his position on almost every point that sent the left swooning, and now,,you are surprised?? Please… just vote for Nader, at least he has integrity.,, and of course, McCain will win, but, at least, you wont have Chavez visiting the Casa Blanca.
@pedro: Whether or not our best hospitals are the best in the world doesn't matter one fucking bit to the 90% of the public who can't afford to even dream of visiting them. I fully support creating a national healthcare system in this country. If we drive all the good doctors out of the country or something, perhaps they can all go live in Saudi Arabia?
And I've voted for Nader more than once in the past … truthfully, I prefer voting third-party … but after the last 8 years, I'm afraid voting for the lesser of two evils is really the only conscionable option, given the alternative of basically leaving everything as-is.
Lincoln had no experience either, and everyone seems to think he did an OK job. Frankly, I think "no experience" is the wrong way to put it, "less time to have sold out to big corporate interests" is more to the point, IMO.
17th July 2008 at 4:49 pm | permalink |Pedro, you are an idiot.
Also, fuck comcast.
P.S. Did I ever mention that I dislike comcast? Because I do.
18th July 2008 at 3:48 am | permalink |I’m not an expert on American domestic shit.
18th July 2008 at 11:55 am | permalink |But isn’t Obama after all better for America, and therefore for all of us, than this McCain character? What do y’all think, hamburger eatin’ sons of guns with cheese that looks like puke, hehehe….
A pile of shit would be better than McCain, so yeah, Obama more than qualifies.
No, really, you could make a very strong argument for a pile of shit being a better president. I'm serious.
18th July 2008 at 12:55 pm | permalink |Which reminds me of an hilarious episode I downloaded, of South Park, where they had to vote between a "Giant Douche" and a "Turd Sandwich",, here in Peru, the choice is usually stark,, a left-wing Commie nut-job, and a militaristic right wing Sociopath. Sigh. (and,,,I was not really sure,, was my English correct when I said "an hilarious" or should it have been "a hilarious"? I know "an before a vowel, etc..but,, I think I was told that "an" also goes before a vowel sound??, and, I was not clear if "hilarious" begins with a vowel sound in English?)
18th July 2008 at 1:54 pm | permalink |"No, really, you could make a very strong argument for a pile of shit being a better president. I'm serious."
haha! No kidding.
18th July 2008 at 11:37 pm | permalink |@ pedro
"an" is usually used before a word that starts with a vowel sound.
Like… an orange, or an apple.
@ AC
Right, no kidding. I was being serious.. seriously, if I had our dog Harley (a real cutie pie) take a shit in the presidents chair.. it would do nothing. McCain would continue the bush legacy of fucking everything up.
So it's inaction versus bad action. I'll take inaction.
Also, fuck comcast.
19th July 2008 at 8:12 pm | permalink |@davidgx: You're a little down on Comcast lately, eh? hehe
@everyone: McCain is a fucking moron … new post coming up soon on that. As unhappy as I am with Obama trading principle for politics, I can understand why he'd think it was necessary.
I just hope he doesn't lose too many votes in his pathetically transparent grab for the fence sitters …
20th July 2008 at 12:31 am | permalink |What's Comcast?
22nd July 2008 at 8:56 am | permalink |"@ pedro
"an" is usually used before a word that starts with a vowel sound.
Like… an orange, or an apple."
OH WOW!!! I missed that fuckin pearl!!! I had to read it three fuckin times and read Pedro's twice!
David….your true identity is out….you are rumbled…you ARE Dan fuckin Quayle.
Hahahahahahaha!!
22nd July 2008 at 9:04 am | permalink |@Gareth: Whenever you have to read something that simple THREE TIMES, I wouldn't recommend bragging about the fact.
As for Comcast: http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr
22nd July 2008 at 9:54 am | permalink |Ahhhh Alph, t'weren't that I didn't understand it, you moppet….I just couldn't fuckin' believe it….though I agree….simple it surely was. :)
p.s. Where have you been?
22nd July 2008 at 9:59 am | permalink |@Gareth: Seeing that you're given to proofreading other people's comments, an ellipsis is properly 3 dots with a space separating it from the surrounding text, like so … you muppet.
22nd July 2008 at 11:53 am | permalink |"an ellipsis is properly 3 dots with a space separating it from the surrounding text, like so … "
Woops…..your OCD is showing Alph. Sadly the space you left disconnecting the dots from the preceding text is erroneous. Secondly you misread me….and my dotty dots…………..the ellipsis was not my intention, rather I endeavour to convey writing as I talk…..kinda stream of conciousness shit….ya know….yadda yadda yadda…..
Anyway, I agree with you, it's cheap and snide to point out the shortcomings in the writing of your support group…. but fuckit….none of them seem to wanna debate the 'point' with me. I resolve never to go for the soft target ever again, and I urge you to consider the same resolution, not by leaving me alone but by not picking on that nice Sen. McCain, next Leader of the Free World.
23rd July 2008 at 8:42 am | permalink |……Oh and thanks for:
23rd July 2008 at 8:46 am | permalink |As for Comcast: http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr
I owe ya one
@Gareth: OCD? I wouldn't suggest a career in psychiatry for you.
As for why nobody wants to debate you? I'd guess at a two part reason: 1) The "point" of your first comment on this post is mostly incoherent, and 2) You've shown a consistent preference for making irrelevant personal attacks over any actual substantive debate in every other post you've deigned to comment on.
Or, put simply, not only are you a troll, you're a largely incoherent troll. The last time a commenter here degenerated to making mostly irrelevant, personal attacks in all his comments, I banned him.
Now, either go take your Ritalin like a good boy, or fuck off.
23rd July 2008 at 9:29 am | permalink |@ Gareth: What's the 'point' you want to debate? Seriously. Define the point and state your position–give us something to work with.
Otherwise, your "argumentation" is like a hummingbird with a sledgehammer (only not as smart).
23rd July 2008 at 9:48 pm | permalink |"not only are you a troll, you're a largely incoherent troll"
23rd July 2008 at 10:19 pm | permalink |Sometimes it's the simple things in life that make you lol. =D
@Becca: Exactly.
@grimbles: :-) Trolls are good for something. hehehe
25th July 2008 at 3:27 pm | permalink |It is disheartening to see that quite intelligent people are still buying into democracy lite aka: "the illusion of choice". Between the Diebold voting machines, big money, the largest repository of psychopaths in the world (CIA), a homogenous propaganda machine masquerading as a free press etc. Does anyone on this blog seriously entertain the notion that they have influenced the course of their nation after stepping out of that voting booth? Quite frankly, democratic elections in the developed world are economically exclusive and prove that time and again by conscientiously ignoring their constituents (read working stiffs vice lobbyists) concerns as soon as they are in, regardless of the ruling junta's political stripe. So, in closing, whomever is SELECTED to lead your country this time, whether he be African American, old incoherent moronic white guy or a pile of dog poop - nothing is going to change. Rich assholes will still call the shots and there's lots of em getting lots richer visiting misery on the rest of the world from a comfortable vantage point. I'll visit the blog again after the coming engineered economic collapse (the moral one has already long past) of the fascist state formerly known as the United States of America. It should make for entertaining reading, people are always full of vociferous outrage when they realize that they have been fucked; especially when they find out it was without their "informed" consent.
25th August 2008 at 4:32 am | permalink |Cheers to all
@gusherwells: While on many levels I completely agree with you, I'd have much more respect for your argument if you had made the point that EVERY SINGLE FORM of human goverment EVER instituted on a large scale has ended up—no matter where it started—firmly in the hands of the elite. It's not like "democratic elections in the developed world" have some kind of monopoly on financial corruption.
Now, do you have any suggestions as to what we might do differently to save our pathetic, ignorant, deluded asses, or are you just another standard-issue self-important nihilist?
25th August 2008 at 12:14 pm | permalink |Nihilist.
But seriously gush, what do you expect, for people to just not give a damn? At a very basic level, without people 'giving a damn' we'd still be pisspoor primates on the plains of Africa without much of a future: "I *could* throw a rock at the lion that's eating me, but meh." If somehow we still made it to the society stage, we'd be stuck in raw despotism: "I *could* stand up to the chief and tell him not to steal my wife, but meh." The magna carta: "We could limit the King's power to stop him screwing us so bad, but meh." The Reformation: "We could challenge the authority of that autocratic idiot the Pope, but meh." The American Revolution: "We could fight for our freedom, but meh." The Holocaust: "We could fight back against the guy killing millions of people cos they kinda look a little different, but meh"
There's no delusion here that a single election result can send the "fucked-up-the-arse-with-no-lube-o-meter" from 100 to 0. But 100 to 20. 100 to 50. Hell, 100 to 99.9 and it's a step in the right direction for brutalised anuses everywhere.
27th August 2008 at 6:27 am | permalink |Are you seriously giving money to the candidates? I mean, does average Joe give up hard-earned salary to one of these candidates? If so, WOW, that’s seriously fucked up. Here you have politicians running for president taking charity from the workingman, and the motherfucker have five houses or… wait. No, seven houses and still in need for charity? What the fuck is the matter with you people? Stop feeding the rich! Get a fucking grip ;)
27th August 2008 at 12:20 pm | permalink |@grimbles: *high five*
27th August 2008 at 2:01 pm | permalink |I live to serve. Or be snippy. One of the two. I think it might switch between them actually.
27th August 2008 at 11:36 pm | permalink |You're an idiot. The only reason I landed on your page is because it was on token black chick's page (which I probably won't be visiting again.) I think maybe you should consider that your facts are nothing more than uninformed opinions that only other wanna-be prophets and poets share with you. Your view of the country and of the world is NOT original, NOT edgy, and nothing more than a bunch of bitching and whining about how no-one understands you and you are too cool for the real world. Turns out you'll die alone and probably still stupid. Oh, and one more thing… You can reply to this with more petulant remarks, but be sure to stay mad because I will NEVER read them because I will NEVER visit your sad excuse for a web site again. The only people who will see them is other mindless lemmings who will accommodate your ego because they don't have a mind of their own or a set of balls. Maybe one day you'll run into someone more ignorant than you and you'll realize what a fool you are. It's too bad you weren't in the world trade center buildings when they got struck by airplanes because you're exactly the kind of jackass those guys were trying to kill. Way to express yourself to the world and show them that we are a bunch of ungrateful fucks.
5th December 2008 at 11:54 pm | permalink |I really can't find the words for how stupid that is, after 3 months, so I'll go with:
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *breathes in* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Seriously, learn to insult.
6th December 2008 at 2:20 am | permalink |